smallTalk 2024

Talk#1 with Patrick

First major step is to reach the 2nd initiation, the beginning of real inner work, the germination of the seed to the Soul. It can take any length of time to reach that point – a few years or lifetimes.

How to get there is simple, you clearly separate Inner Self from outer self using all the methods that we have offered, or the method of causing hardship to the body by not eating, not sleeping, withdrawing contact with other people, withdrawing sexual contact. These methods are designed to set up a struggle between outer self and Inner Self.

That struggle creates energy. When your Spirit recognises the stability of the struggling I, it will initiate inner growth, which is the 2nd initiation. So separate the internal from the external in whatever way you can, using the methods that are given to you. If you do that, you’ll receive help, and you’ll reach the 2nd initiation, from where true inner work begins. Then the main development of a human, from 2nd to 3rd initiation, begins.

These are really not my ideas. I knew nothing when I began so I looked for people who really knew something. Students seldom rise to the level of their teacher, but they sometimes do, and they sometimes go past their teacher. Those who don’t make effort you can’t even talk about – you don’t make an effort you can’t expect any significant result. If you make effort but don’t quite get to the level of your teacher, it’s probably because you mixed in too many of your own ideas, which merely reflect your low inner own condition, “Type A” ideas, which blur the teaching. Then the teaching becomes less efficient, and less help will be available. My teachers kept to the very central essence and did not inject their own ideas. They understood their own ideas would distort the pure teaching. I understand that and follow it as best I can.

Work between the 2nd and the 3rd initiation is essentially the work on the Deep Emotions. 2nd initiation is the entry into the 2nd energy level, the Deep Emotions.

Spirit has a component on the highest levels of the Deep Emotional, the Deep Mental and the Deep Body level , but there’s no essential growth on those levels. You are just like a seed on those levels. There’s something, but it’s not really growing until you reach the 2nd initiation.

If you die without passing the 2nd initiation you go back to the Deep Emotional realm but in an inactive state, a type of suspended animation or hibernation, because there is no essential part of you active on that level. Then you come back in another body and may try again.

Once you reach the 2nd initiation, the Soul begins to grow on the Deep Emotional level, which will mean when you return after death to the Deep Emotional realm, you will have a life there – a baby’s life, a child’s life, an adolescent’s life, or an adult’s life, according to the growth of your Soul.

These are the 3 stages of Soul growth, from baby to 7-year-old child, from child to 14-year-old adolescent, then from adolescent to 21-year-old adult.

If you’re still in the early stages of Soul growth, it’s a semi-conscious life after death, then you’ll usually return quite quickly to a body to work on. But you do retain your growth on the Deep Emotional level, it’s not lost when you go forward and back, but any Physical-Etheric growth from the previous life is lost and must be rebuilt in the new life as a base for further internal growth.

If you grow through those 3 sublevels of the Deep Emotions to reach the 3rd initiation, then on death you retreat to the Deep Mental and almost certainly do not need to come back in a body.

If you can reach the 3rd sublevel, you will return to the deep emotional and function as a 14 to 21 year old, able to learn and grow to some extent on at that level. Then there is a chance you may not have to return in a body to complete that, unless there’s unfinished business on the Earth, whatever that means. Who determines that – your own Spirit on the advice of higher-level Beings.

What causes that internal growth?
It is clear that up to the 2nd initiation it’s the struggle between the inner and the outer self. That struggle creates a separation, then you start to see the outer self as something different from your Inner Self, which is one of the basic requirements to reach the 2nd initiation. Only then when that sense of separation is stable will the Spirit be willing to initiate the inner growth.

Then what causes a person to develop between the 2nd and 3rd initiation? There are 3 sublevels or stages. Something different needs to be done for each of these, but the work overlaps. The final one is how you relate to the spiritual world. The middle one is how you relate to the people with whom you have a deep connection. The lower one is how your deep emotions relate to the outer world, not overreacting. Ideally the deep emotions begin to condition your responses to the outer world, not the deep emotions reacting to the outer.

The first 7 years within the deep emotions, the lower sublevel of the deep emotions strongly interacts with the Physical-Etheric world. As long as the Physical-Etheric world is causing the Deep Emotions to react they can’t respond to what’s coming through from Above, so the Deep Emotions can’t really grow. The main work on the early part of the Deep Emotions is to free them from the rough control of your outer thoughts, feelings, and actions. Don’t overreact to the troubles of the outer world, what other people are doing or saying to you, your physical troubles, your psychological troubles. Your outer part experiences the positive and negative results of your thoughts, feelings and actions, that is natural, but your Inner Self stays above that process – it doesn’t react.

Q: If I want to understand the ideas that you are teaching, really, I have to understand them in myself, not just memorize and quote you. Can this lead to adding my own ideas into it?
P: You can struggle to reduce it but you can’t avoid who you are from slightly distorting want you have received. You can’t escape your own conditioning – which is the basis of your outer self. That outer self is not you. If you had been born in completely different circumstances, you would have a completely different outer self, but still the same Inner Self. So that’s inevitably going to interfere but by being forewarned you can attempt to account for it as it takes place.

Q: Is it correct that people choose the circumstances into which they are born?
P: That’s approximately true. You are placed back in the conditions that are best suited for your inner development, of the all available situations. But if your Deep Emotions are like a small baby, that baby can’t choose where it goes, it’s chosen for them.

Q: If we’re not at the 2nd initiation yet, is it still useful to know and try what has to be done to get from the 2nd to the 3rd?
P: Training the levels overlaps so knowing what comes next is always useful. But first energise and activate the Deep Emotions. That stirs them up and gets them working. Like feeding a small baby to start with, you can’t ask much more of it, you have to get it to grow.

Q: You mentioned Spirit connects at the highest level of the Deep Mental, and just thinking about it I always thought I knew what the Spirit is, in fact I don’t.
P: Lower Energies, the 1st, 2nd and 3rd energy levels, are the 3 earthly realms of the Deep Mind. Higher Energies, the 3rd, 4th and 5th energy levels, are the 3 levels of the Higher Self, the Spiritual Triad. The Deep Mind Intelligence is the overlapping connection between those two.

Q: You also mentioned it is connected with the 3rd Force of the Sun.
P: We exist within and are supported by a large solar energy field whose source is the intelligent solar being we call the Sun. All beings in the known world, express themselves through the triple aspect of intention, awareness and intelligent being. Our Higher Self or Spiritual Triad is an expression of those 3 aspects or Intelligent Forces emanating from the Sun. The 1st Force connects into the 3rd energy level, the 2nd Force connects into the 4th energy level, the 3rd Force (the highest one) connects into the 5th energy level.

Q: In the meditation when we expand the light, to reconnect into the 9 clouds, I do not understand it exactly what is the meaning ‘to reconnect into the nine clouds’?
P: The 9 clouds are the 3 sublevels of the 3 dantian. There are moments in the meditation when we focus almost fully on one level only, while the others shift into the background. Then after each of those we reconnect back into the large dantian with awareness spread over all of the levels.

Q: Should we avoid overreacting also with positive emotions or only with negative ones?
P: The real positive emotions are concerned with other people with whom you’re deeply connected, and with the Beings above you, also sometimes just in normal life when something deeply touching happens, but it always involves other beings. This is the right time for the deep emotions to be working, so you shouldn’t try to be neutral or cold in these circumstances, that would be a big mistake.

Just don’t overreact to the more trivial things of outer life. Don’t lose your inner balance, you can’t be too greedy, too fearful, too selfish, that is too pushy, too passive or too distant. To try and perfect the outer self is not the aim, it is the Inner Self that needs to be refined for the growth between the 2nd and the 3rd initiation. You create a separation, build up the strength of the inner part, then anything that’s interfering with this growth you deal with, but if it’s not interfering, you concentrate on the inner growth and that will slowly take care of what remains.

Q: Is there any benefit to the Soul, the Hun, as opposed to the Earthly Po, of working with the Deep Body Intelligence other than to increase the energy you can raise to the Deep Emotions?
P: When Spirit descends to the Deep Mental, it stimulates the Deep Mental Intelligence, but there is no real growth on that level. Then it descends to the Deep Emotional and stimulates the Deep Emotional Intelligence, but with little real ability to be aware or to act. It then descends to the Deep Body level, stimulates the Deep Body Intelligence where it’s given a body by the Earth with a basic ability to be aware and act and consequently learn, due to the general level of humanity as developed over tens of thousands of years.

So developing any one of the 3 realms to the point of merging with the highest intelligence on that level would give a direct connection to the Spirit.

Besides that you have no choice but to work on the Earthly Soul initially, any thing else would be mostly imagination. Then only as that feeds, energises and activates your higher parts could work proceed on those higher levels. Too early concentration on the higher levels will lead to imagination and consequently spiritual pride.

Our being on the Physical-Etheric or 1st energy level is called the Earthly Soul because it is given by the Earth. After death the Physical-Etheric body is given back to the Earth, which would also give a small positive contribution to the development of all humanity.

Q: You have given us tools for refining our inner psychology, like analysing chief feature. Are any of these tools more appropriate to certain sublevels between the 2nd and the 3rd?
P: All of the exercises given, including the physical taiji, are generally designed to promote internal growth between the 2nd and the 3rd initiation. They are designed to energise and activate each of the inner levels. As you develop some exercises fade in importance and others grow. Initially, you take care of or refine any interference from the outer self. Later, as the internal self grows, you take care of interference from the more negative parts of the internal self. As the Inner Self grows on the deep emotional level, some parts of you will be responding to the Spirit, that’s your Soul, while other parts will be still responding more to the outer world. As you gradually separate off the more positive part that’s connected to the Spirit, it leaves a darker negative part. That’s your ego. The common conception of an ‘egotistic person’ is only indirectly related to this.

Q: I was just wondering if I understood correctly because you said that the body and the Deep Emotions have to be developed, and is that basically the work from the 2nd to the 3rd initiation?
P: That’s right, work from the 2nd to the 3rd initiation is mostly within the Deep Emotions. Condition of your deep emotions determines most of the progress from 2nd to the 3rd initiation.

Q: Can the negative aspects making up the ego be converted to something more positive?
P: Refinement of your Inner Self is transforming the less positive things into more positive things. Selfishness can be transformed into humility. Greed can be transformed into gratitude. Fear can be transformed into respect. You can fear an animal or you can respect it. You can be scared of me or you can have a certain respect for what I’m doing or what you think I might know.

Q: So what is the exercise, the primary exercise for the first 7 years between the 2nd and 3rd initiation. Also what are the primary exercises for the next 7 years and the next 7 years after that?
P: Lifting the light from the lower dantian to the middle dantian to energize and wake it up. Freeing the Deep Emotions from the influence of the external body centred emotions. Sending out light and love to other people with whom you are closely connected. Sending light to higher beings connected with the source of the teaching you are receiving.

Q: How to distinguish between Spirit and Soul? Is Soul something like an energy body?
P: Not exactly. Deep Mind is the Soul. It is an aspect of the Spirit together with your Deep Essence, the accumulated experiences from past lives within the 3 realms of human existence, the 1st, 2nd and 3rd energy levels. Spirit is everything above that, more specifically the Spiritual Triad on the 3rd, 4th and 5th energy levels.

Q: The system you offer is very organised. Is that because it is your nature to do that?
P: No, I observed people engaged in meditation and self refinement struggling to achieve their potential. I am almost 100% certain that every person can reach the 3rd initiation in this life. I sought to understand why so few actually achieve it. Assuming you make enough effort, and you avoid getting carried away in the ego, and you do not deliberately distort the teaching, then the problem lies with the system not being clear enough.

All the teachers I met had this concept of a small inner school and a big outer school. The small inner school received their directions individually one step at a time, while the outer school received random bits and pieces. It was just, because if you made enough sincere effort you would be taken into the inner school. What was missing for the outer school was the step by step details but what was missing for all was the overview – how the all pieces fitted together and the timeline in which they needed to be trained. That meta-view gives context to the various training methods and helps prevent misunderstandings and missteps.

Q: When you say don’t allow any negative reaction, how is that possible?
P: I said don’t overreact, cause when you overreact you unnecessarily involve your deep part in the external reactions. I mean you kick your phone over, you’re a bit annoyed, you can feel like “uh, that’s really stupid of me” but just don’t overreact, don’t continue it on for the next few hours or days. Someone says something to you that’s a little rough, you might feel hurt, a little disrespected (that’s a really low level concept), feel righteously indignant, but you just continue on your way, don’t hold on to it, don’t multiply it, don’t run it repeatedly through your head, don’t let your Inner Self get pulled down to the level of your outer self, stay above it.

Q: This is the question, how to let go of these things? Because sometimes it’s very difficult.
P: Sense the body, activate the body in some way, repeat a mantra or self-suggestion, or activate the Deep Emotions. All these are ways to create a separation from inside yourself. Know it’s the outer self but stay with the Inner Self.

Never expect respect from others, only the ego asks for respect. Respect is something you give to the Inner Self of another person. I don’t ask you to respect me, I don’t ask you to be grateful for what I teach, I don’t ask you to feel humble. These are things you do inside yourself with no outer display. What other people do it’s up to them.

However it is clear, if you don’t respect the teaching which comes from the Old Teachers, if you don’t have gratitude for what’s given from above, if you don’t have the perspective to truly see your position relative to the Beyond, you will not be in a position to receive help which is the most essential aspect of inner growth.